Comments by Kevin Pacey
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Hi Bn Em
Yes, I see your points, but all the same please publish the four as they are, and then you (or possibly other editor(s)) can check the remaining 3 - if subsequent editor(s) are different for the remaining 3 then I'll have to consider their judgement(s) from scratch, even if it affects all 7 all over again.
Regards, Kevin Pacey
@ H.G.:
Yes, I originally would have thought when an Advancer made a move that threatened a King, an enforcing preset would automatically announce check.
However, maybe the Advancer, being an Ultima-like piece, does not actually make a check in an Ultima-like game (which Butterfly Chess is not)? So I now ask, is that the usual assumption that Applet generated preset code makes for every CV put through the generating process? If so, maybe an option can be added to the Applet to ask if Ultima-like pieces should announce check.
A problem for Butterfly Chess, anyway, is that if check is not announced for Advancers, what happens if the opponent's next move leaves his king vulnerable to capture by the Advancer. Does the preset announce the opponent made an illegal move (my much preferred choice, implicit in Butterfly Chess rules), or can the king be captured (if so, is a win announced, or does a player type in 'won' after his K-capturing Advancer move is manually entered, or does he tell his opponent to make a legal move instead)?
@ H.G. Muller:
Have you seen my comment to you that I am replying to? Not too much of a rush, if you're busy or stumped.
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@ Bn Em:
A search I did just now for English words that are 3 words within one notably gave 'counterclockwise' (not a noun) and also somehow 'sunflower' made it to the list, but I think that must be an error. So, no nouns on one search result I got from Google.
I checked my list of unpublished submissions pending, and by my count I would have 5+2=7 I'd need to change to some degree (plus 2 settings files that would need to be copied with new names, a little more modified, then the original settings files could be deleted by Fergus later). Still a bit of trouble for just one tentatively unpopular piece type name choice.
In the M & B Articles of CVP site, I did notice some 3 English 'words' in 1 that are nouns that Gilman coined, especially in his second section with words beginning with C (towards the end of that section). I have yet to glance at his remaining sections (except for 'W', in case Gilman used warmachinewazir himself).
Please let me know sooner or later if I should do name editing all the same (unless you publish the 7 submissions without much delay, at least starting with the 4 submissions that are still under your personal review, it seems; note that this evening I've put 3 more submissions under review, and they all have the warmachinewazir piece type within).
@ H.G.:
In the following link to a Butterfly Chess log, I tried to move my White Advancer from e1 to j6. The (Applet generated) preset allows the move, but does not announce check. Is there a bug here?
@ Bn Em
I'd forgotten I'd used Wazaba in 4 Kings Quasi-Shatranj (already published long ago), but I guess my feeling on that word changed later, when what I thought was something I preferred more came to my attention (i.e. Warmachinewazir).
It's a similar story with my long published Sac Chess CV, where I used 'Judge' instead of Centaur (subsequently I've sometimes, but fully aware, used the latter, i.e. when I am not inventing a CV that I see as a spinoff of Sac Chess). Unlike Jean-Louis I don't feel I need to always use the same name for pieces when they are in different CV inventions of mine.
I don't go as far as Seirawan and Harper, when they even named a Chancellor piece an Elephant (for their S-Chess invention), which I think may fly in the face of common CV convention for that animal.
Anyway, aside from now disliking Wazaba a bit, and liking Warmachinewazir a lot ('Battletank' is a single word noun that can be found online nowadays, if a precedent is wanted outside of [CVP published] Gilman), my biggest issue is that I would have to redo/undo a number of waiting submissions[5+2=7]/(settings files[2]), especially over a matter that seems arbitrary/debatable (and just a single name). Right now I don't always have a lot of stamina for such depressing re-tracing of my steps, though I do admire those with the energy/youth to keep doing it over and over again without even a whimper. :)
I quoted Bn Em's spelling ('Wazbaba') without checking if it needed correcting - evidently the error propagated from there.
On a personal note, my life will get a little busier soon, especially if I am lucky on the part-time employment front, so my CV contributing/commenting hobby may need to wait/(slow down) for a bit, or at least be less regular for a while. Then, there is getting a tooth yanked, perhaps this summer...
Well, I just looked at Gilman's Man & Beast series (in CVP Piece Articles), say under letter C, alone, for precedents for concatenated names of 2+ words into just 1 word, and the guy was a veritable fountain about coining them. That's just for CVs alone, nevermind in the English language (e.g. 'Whatsoever' is 3 words concatenated). So thanks Daniel, but I don't think I feel the need to change just yet.
Well, for starters, if I surrender on this minor issue, I'll need to ask Fergus to somehow re-name two Settings Files I have that have Warmachinewazir as part of their names. Then I'll have to re-submit the same Rules Pages for them. Just to begin with. A lot of fuss over something that in the early days of chess variants no one would have objected to, I'd think. Maybe there are fussier people these days.
Will I have to go through this kind of grief, a third or a fourth time, because of some minor/debatable thing again? Why am I being singled out on such a matter that's surely happened before?
Hmmm
Well, it'd take a long time, maybe, to rename/re-submit all the pieces/(new submissions) where I used Warmachinewazir (which I still think sounds like a cool name, personally). Are most editors/members so sure that such an arbitrary thing as a single name being in dispute is so intolerable? I'm sure this sort of thing has happened before, with few batting an eyelash. Is it just my bad luck that the things I do people notice while rubbing them wrong way?
Regarding why not Wazbaba, see my earlier reply to Haru in this thread, which went: "I can see your reasoning, Haru. A possible issue for me is that some of these unorthodox pieces have more names that were given to them over the years than some of the other types in the group. I wanted to use certain names, but Kirin has only one name as far as I know, and thus waffle gets thrown out with the bathwater, if phoenix must therefore be used (which H.G. for one may not mind, but I have a variant idea named Waffle-Spiel and Phoenix-Spiel somehow didn't appeal to me as much as a name, for example). It may also at times be certain name(s) don't appeal to someone, for whatever reason, and why should they be 'forced' to use them, if they are 'paired' by name with a piece that has a given name that that person doesn't mind the sound of, again for whatever reason?
edit: standard chess itself may have similar issues. 'Castle' is a popular nickname for rook (at least among novices), and similarly 'horse' for knight, 'cleric' or 'prelate' for bishop, 'lady' for queen (perhaps) and 'royal pieces' is a nickname sometimes used for king and queen as a pair. You also can have an issue building an opening repertoire, say with Black - you may want to play the Nimzo-Indian (just one choice) vs. 1.d4, but if White plays 3.Nf3 or 3.g3 then you have more than one choice against each of those, and you may dislike that there aren't more options vs 3.Nc3 than the Nimzo-Indian that you like to play. Also, you may like to play 3.g3 Bb4+, but not 3.Nf3 Bb4+, even though 'logic' may suggest one should be played if the other is."
P.S. to Bn: Even Jean-Louis has written an inventor can feel free to choose their own names (at least when he does not mind too much :) ).
Furthermore, I currently don't like the sound of Wazbaba somehow - call it a quirk of mine.
I still have no idea whether all 10 of my submissions awaiting review stink, or whether I'm super-buried in the queue, or...?
Is there a way editor(s) can let me know my 10 submissions to be reviewed have not been forgotten? I put out a comment for each of the 10 about two months ago that each was ready for review.
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For an eighth weapon, have you considered a blowgun?
Note: the membership for fairly new LinkedIn public group 'Croatian chess' (chess variant-oriented) has doubled to 14 members since my last post here in mid-Feb; there are now over a dozen group posts. One is a link to CVP site, by myself.
I've been messaging LinkedIn members (some who I know) about the group's existence to help promote it, unknown to the group's owner (a CV-oriented company's CEO, who allows for the general discussion of CVs within the group, by members who post).
There is also a private Chinese Chess group on LinkedIn that is currently larger, and a private Alice Chess group that currently has just two members. Private groups' posts are only visible to their own members.
P.S.: There is also a company Page for a CV company, 5Head Chess, on LinkedIn, besides one for Chess Boxing Global (if that is seen as a legit CV).
@ Fergus (and others):
There was a death in my family this evening, so I may be a bit slow moving in our games or responding to any requests by editorial staff re: my pending submissions from March, at least for a while. I am not too upset at the moment, but my sister-in-law and others may need assistance.
Regards, Kevin Pacey
Hi J-L
I may have been too critical, based on seeing the picture, like an earlier post of yours alluded to. If you're holding it up close and it looks fine to you, by all means stick with it.
K
@ Jean-Louis
If I looked at the right pictures in one of your earlier links (title of it including 'recent', I think), I didn't like the second Centaur option pictured because I thought it reminded me rather more of a bishop, at least without looking too carefully.
Perhaps that can be 'solved' if it's possible to include a lot more of the base of a knight, maybe even up to horse neck level, including much thicker 'carved lines' at the spine (maybe certain Staunton sets are that way?), and having the bend of the figurine somehow eliminated could be good.
I'm not sure a reverse centaur isn't considered a type of centaur by at least some people, but yes, it isn't the archetype. Still, the guard symbol on top of the knight figurine is what was decided on for Alfaerie 2D figurines, at least, as Daniel is alluding to.
Calling a Centaur piece type a Judge was something I did when somehow I thought I saw no entry for NWF in wikipedia the first time I looked at a fairy pieces wiki (maybe edited since, or I missed it), before I applied to and looked at CVP site. A 3D figurine for a judge-person may be easier to imagine and create, who knows. On the bright side, there are nothing but real people (or rook) represented among Sac Chess pieces, i.e. nothing mythical used for CV warfare in my CV's case.
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